Default Radio Volume

Phil Crowson

New Member
Hi,

I'm trying to reduce the default volume at which my radio broadcasts when someone loads the direct link. It's being reported as excessively loud.

Where can I reduce this volume?

Many thanks
 

Support

Level 1 Support
Staff member
Hi Phil,

It sounds like you just need to turn down your own source volume.

Depending on your set up; you just need to either lower the main output of your DJ mixer / software or within your live stream encoding software.

What is your server account name with us please? We will test this ourselves for you and let you know, as it could just be that listener may have their own playback volume too loud.
 

Phil Crowson

New Member
Here's the link to GoHamRadio: Gohamradio Episode 1 - Internet Radio

We've had many listeners report that when they first load the page it blows their eardrums- I'm guessing it's relative to other things they are listening to at the same time, so I don't think it's the listeners volumes that are too high.

I use the Auto DJ feature at internet-radio.com
 

Support

Level 1 Support
Staff member
Thanks for that.

Yes, we can kind of see what they mean, although we would not say it is exactly ear blasting, it is a little bit louder than when you load other dance music stations on the directory's. But then that's the nature of the music that you are playing, electronic dance music nowadays is all about the big / loud in your face mixdowns, add to that a DJ pushing the volume even further in the mix and that's the result. And yes, like you say, its probably also relative to what else they have been listening to.

If you go to the Trance page and play through some of the stations alongside yours, you will see that the volume is not all that different to some of them, but it is a bit louder than some others.

Its the actual AutoDJ files that you have uploaded that you need to address here. Either the mixes have been recorded too loud in the first place, or they have been hammered with compression and hard limiting in post processing. As a music producer of 14 years myself, I can hear that they have been pushed quite hard in order to achieve maximum loudness.

If you feel they are too loud, then you will need to edit them and lower the overall volume and then re-upload them. Its not the default playback volume that will need adjusting as it is the same across all stations here.

We hope this helps. :)
 

General Lighting

Super Moderator
Staff member
Its the actual AutoDJ files that you have uploaded that you need to address here. Either the mixes have been recorded too loud in the first place, or they have been hammered with compression and hard limiting in post processing. As a music producer of 14 years myself, I can hear that they have been pushed quite hard in order to achieve maximum loudness.
I had a listen myself and also ran the stream through an Orban meter (these are an excellent piece of freeware; you do need a Win7 machine for the latest version but it doesn't need to be top of the range).

Your loudness level is about -9 LUFS which is loud, but normal for youth/EDM stations (although EBU suggest -14 for these and -23 for classical music/speech based stations).

The "high volume on start" issue could be caused by listeners on some Android mobile devices using headphones. I have heard it myself on other online stations; but always on one device (a rather battle scarred old HTC one with Cyanogen mod). It appears to be a side effect of some hardware/software methods presumably used to save battery power.

your station sound does appear to have been "double processed".

Easy to do by accident if both your DJ software and playout software has soundprocessing plugins and you end up sending an already processed recorded mix into ingest and playout; or you overdo it with any software that is clamed to make your source content (music) sound "louder".

Another pitfall is level meters on hybrid analogue/digital kit (or on screen simulations on them) are often wrong scaled and encourage redlining (we are not using spools or cassettes of tape any more!). With online radio the encoding/decoding process of the stream can push the reconstructed peak level of a loud signal beyond 0dBFS digital.

It is then dependent on the listeners software and equipment what happens; the best case is the sound card has some headroom or it hits a limiter before its converted to analogue; but it could equally just put out a harsh distorted sound; not good for speakers nor ears. You can get away with very short occasions of this but do not want large amounts of the programme audio to be at this level.
 
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